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27/08/2009 8:54:00 PM
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monks
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Now that Lance is coming back in 2010, does that mean there will be no room for cars in January...hehe. Either way we'll all be in the greatest state to see the greatest man in cycling...Can't wait and bring it on!
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28/08/2009 8:47:32 AM
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Michael Warner
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It's good for tourism and Mike Rann's ego, I guess, but I'm not sure I can stand a second TdU of media obsession with an arrogant prick who treats it as a training ride.
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28/08/2009 9:55:23 AM
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Daniel Kelly
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TDU media obsession with Lance is better than zero media interest and with it being so early in the season he isn't the only one that treats it as a training ride. Would like to see Cadel come out and support it, isn't exactly that taxing for these blokes.
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28/08/2009 1:45:59 PM
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Ross H
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Is there any reason why the TDU has to be in South Australia? I believe it would be far more interesting if the event was moved around each year to include different states. Some stages in the Australian Alps (ie some real mountain climbs), and stages that could take advantage of some of our beautiful scenery such as the Great Ocean Road, or Tasmania, or the south west of WA. SA is a nice place but why can't Australia's national road bike tour be truly national, ot at least include a couple of other regions in different states.
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28/08/2009 3:16:28 PM
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andrew rowling
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The organiser has a bike shop in SA, the company which sponsors it is based here, so it is unlikely to be anywhere else.
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28/08/2009 9:31:16 PM
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chris vandyk
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south australia put in the work to get the tour down to the race it is now. it should stay there.
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28/08/2009 10:03:54 PM
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Brett Symons
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Geez you're a knob Warner. Turn your tv off and stop reading the papers then. Almost every brilliant person is arrogant in many ways, it's what got them that far to begin with. Lance has done many things, not just cycling that are an inspiration to millions. Try telling all the adults and kids in cancer wards that he visits every year that they'd be better off reading a brochure instead of believing in someone like Lance and the hope he gives them.
I feel sorry for your family and even you. Out of all your posts almost all of them are negative in one way or another and help no one. Do everyone a favour and get lost.
Tool.
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29/08/2009 1:07:05 AM
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Corks
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Yeah tend to agree with Brett - gee Michael your scorn is surprising given most on this website would hopefully (1) understand the sport of cycling and his achievements and (2) have an appreciation of how difficult it is just to even get on the starting line.
I’d be interested to understand why you think he’s arrogant. He is the first to pay due respect to his rivals in the peleton (and indeed his team after victories or strong performances).
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29/08/2009 8:17:18 PM
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Daniel Kelly
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Every race is a training ride for Lance until he hits July...and you know what he has done there 7 times.
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29/08/2009 11:56:16 PM
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The Mountain Goat
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Ross, hate to give you the bad news as you are clearly trying to send the Tour Down Under to the Alps but its clear that the riders dont want to be climbing high mountains in January. It would be boring if every stage race looked exactly the same......
I also have to point out that Mike Turter has never opted to use the biggest climbs in Adelaide for example Greenhill Road. A time trial up Greenhill road would be breathtaking.
There is also the fact that the regions that host the Tour Down Under all sit within an hour and a half from the riders base in the city. Its easy to see why the existing formula works.
Why dont you see if the Formula 1 is available?
edited by The Mountain Goat on 30/08/2009
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31/08/2009 8:05:54 AM
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Ross H
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Mr Goat,
I realise there are commercial and logistical reasons that keep the event in and near to Adelaide, but I really do think the event would benefit from a change of scenery every now and then, and I'm sure the riders could handle a couple of mountains in January. However, as long as the crowds keep turning up I guess it will remain in SA.
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31/08/2009 9:17:32 AM
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Adam Thompson
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I've wondered why Greenhill Rd isn't used and others like it. Best I can figure is that there is little room for spectators and definitely no room for cars. Shame, as a finish could perhaps be in Summertown, or perhaps a break could even stay away until Hahndorf.
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31/08/2009 11:47:53 AM
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Dwayne Cox
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SA obviously put in the hard yards ... keep it here and for once let every other state come to us ....... yes he treats it as a training ride Mr Warner ..... as he has done for every other ride prior to July for a long time ..... get over it. I dont care that everyone comes out of the woodwork now for both the TDU and the TDF if it means that our sport gets the enthusiatic exposure that comes with these events .... we get the exposure and attention and alo still get to ride our roads again when things calm down. Why the negativity?????
Bring it on and in my circle havnt heard anything but positives for the event and I dont care care what it costs...... better than a tram that goes nowhere and something that a large majority will never get to use. Least these events encourage fitness and general good will in the communities it visits.
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31/08/2009 2:03:42 PM
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Jeffrey Schulz
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I think is is great to have Lance competing in my home town. My problem is I choose not to see the last few stages of the TDU as I go to Bright for the Alpine Classic.
A lot of people hate Lance Armstrong, I suggest to those people visit the cycling news forum. The I hate Lance Armstrong cult has taken over the forums and vent their anger at every opportunity. I think it is funny how people spend so much of there time talking about someone they hate.
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31/08/2009 2:06:38 PM
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Daniel Kelly
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Good point, even more crazy people have enough time to discuss how much they hate someone they have never met...the word jealous does come to mind.
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31/08/2009 7:56:02 PM
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Michael Warner
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Dwayne Cox wrote:
SA obviously put in the hard yards ... keep it here and for once let every other state come to us ....... yes he treats it as a training ride Mr Warner ..... as he has done for every other ride prior to July for a long time ..... get over it. I dont care that everyone comes out of the woodwork now for both the TDU and the TDF if it means that our sport gets the enthusiatic exposure that comes with these events .... we get the exposure and attention and alo still get to ride our roads again when things calm down. Why the negativity?????
Bring it on and in my circle havnt heard anything but positives for the event and I dont care care what it costs...... better than a tram that goes nowhere and something that a large majority will never get to use. Least these events encourage fitness and general good will in the communities it visits.
The "negativity" is because I liked the event better when there were more local riders, pre-ProTour, and when it wasn't such a one-note media circus, pre-Armstrong.
I realize that most cyclists want to see it become bigger and more lavish, but I think this is due to both SA and cycling inferiority complexes, and IMHO the ethical price of riding the celebrity of someone like Armstrong to achieve this is too high. This is a guy, after all, who dumped his family to become a serial womanizer, and not only trash-talks his opponents but, this year, did his best to undermine his own team leader! He just doesn't seem to be able to handle not being the centre of attention, even though Contador will probably end up with a much better grand tour record.
And I don't get the "inspirational cancer survivor" routine. He survived cancer due to a combination of luck and good treatment, was even luckier that his athletic ability wasn't affected, and lost the weight needed to become a GC contender as a side-effect of the chemo. I'm sure dieting would have been a much more pleasant way to achieve this! Many thousands of cancer survivors do similar work, too - they just don't charge appearance and speaking fees and have TV cameras trailing around after them.
Lastly, a bigger TdU hasn't made motorists tolerate us any better, or encouraged more of the general public to get their fat arses on bikes, unfortunately. Elite sport may have benefits, but general health and fitness aren't among them.
BTW, I agree that holding some of the TdU outside SA would be good (if you paid us a nice fat licence fee!), but it's probably too expensive and time-consuming, given the size of Australia.
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31/08/2009 8:27:00 PM
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Michael Warner
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Brett Symons wrote:
Geez you're a knob Warner.
As an online stalker you get points for persistence, but not for style, due to limited vocabulary and poor grammar.
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31/08/2009 9:20:48 PM
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Brett Symons
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I wouldn't use the term "online stalker". What I would perhaps say is that you don't see me much as I only feel compelled to comment on the forums when I see absolute trash on here, which unfortunately is always from the likes of you Mr Warner. My very first post on here was actually a perfectly normal question about wheels which you also felt the need to shoot down with your particular brand of worthless slop.
As for the Tour and it's less local riders....you're in a dream world mate. Anyone who is good at ANY sport strives to make it to the very top. It was only a matter of time before the TDU gained the credibility it needed to attract world class athletes, sponsors $$$, the UCI Pro Tour status and finally the big names like Lance and co. It was never going to stay local and that was never the intention. I'm sure all the local riders you are so fond of would also give their left nut to be able to make it to the big races like the TDF, Giro, Vuelta and so on. Would you then call them sell outs for doing so? If you like it local head to the Sunday Crits with your deck chair and your Radelaide t-shirt and enjoy yourself.
Contador made many moves in the TDF contrary to team orders and Lance has always put the team first so it's natural he was going to have something to say about it. Big deal. You certainly don't have a problem running your pathetic mouth off at every opportunity so I think it's only fair he's afforded the same luxury wouldn't you say?
As for the Cancer comment. That only proves what a deadbeat you are. I'm only 28 and have just finished my last Radiation treament about 60 minutes ago. To make light of something that has devostated so many is a horrible thing to do. I can only assume you are a very lonely man and perhaps one day if you end up with the illness you'll regret that loneliness and the reasons that caused it when you have no one to reach out too for help, support and strength.
Lets also not forget Lance was a stage winner before Cancer and he was far younger at the time then many before him so it was only a matter of time before he was a TDF winner regardless.
edited by Brett Symons on 31/08/2009
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31/08/2009 10:30:07 PM
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monks
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Since I started this post I feel it necessary to reply.
Firstly, this post wasn't meant to start off a session to debate negatively about the TDU, Lance Armstrong and especially Cancer. This post was meant to praise the efforts of organisers of the TDU for getting a name like Lance Armstrong to Adelaide in 2009 and praise them again for getting him here next year, albeit for a nominal price. Having said that, if he didn't enjoy the hospitality of Australians and the perfect "training" conditions then I doubt he would come again.
Secondly, a lot of people have their own opinion about Lance Armstrong and everyone has the write to express themselves, and we're lucky people to be able to do that at least, but when someone degrades an already degrading disease like cancer that should make anyone sick. If you haven't had the disease before I'm not sure how you can comment, and if you have had the disease I hope you were a better person before. Either way not matter what your fitness is like, not matter how much money you have, if its not your time to go its not your time to go...simple as that!
Thirdly, for cancer sufferers to have someone to lift their spirits and raise the profile of cancer awareness and support like Lance that would be worth more to a sufferer than the millions he makes. Wouldn't it be good if someone like Lance went to every city across the globe where cancer sufferers are, I'm sure that would lift a lot of spirits, I think we should be happy that he comes here.
Lastly, he is the best cyclist in the world at this point in time, there is yet to be another cyclist win as many GT's and until there is may he retain his "King of the Castle" title. As I said in the first post...Bring it on!
edited by Anthony Meyer on 31/08/2009
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1/09/2009 9:25:13 AM
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Daniel Kelly
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"a combination of luck and good treatment" - that comment alone shows you are just on here to fire people up.
Clown.
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