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22/11/2009 11:56:44 AM
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harley j
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the condition of our immune system is in direct proportion to the amount of health we experience. everyone knows this but its often forgotten in allopathic medical model industries where the focus is 'for every symptom, we have a product or surgery to treat it'. allopathic medicine is about treating the symptom whilst ignoring the cause.
if you burn yourself, modern medicine has amazing treatment modalities to help the body heal itself, so of course there is room for treating the symptom in the case of accidents.
where i find it hard to digest medical advice is when people with conditions like cancer, obesity, diabeties, osteoporosis, arthiritis, chronic fatigue etc are told by the medical industry that there is nothing they can do but take a treatment and hope for the best. 'its just your genetics, bad luck etc that has caused your problem and we dont really know'. some very famous doctors have decided to stop treating symptoms and address the cause of cancer, arthritis and other health issues directly related to an impaired immune system from a lifestyle of abusive factors such as diet, attitude, sleep patterns etc.
ive travelled the globe and spoken with many well known health advocates, doctors, surgeons, patients etc and have seen a common pattern form. if you go against the mainstream medical model of 'burn, poison, or cut' out the problem then your a quack, freak or extremist!  i dont take it personally cos its like if you desire to help an injured animal, chances are your going to get bitten or scratched, its just how it is. i remember working at a fasting retreat in costa rica and having some patients screaming in my face and then later apologizing but i didnt take it personally cos if you want to help someone, yourself or society then you just gotta lay it down and let the truth be known even if it overwhelms us or hurts us initially.
regarding cancer, we know that a weak immune system opens the doors up for cancer cells to thrive unchecked by an otherwise healthy immune system. treatments like chemo and radiation weaken an already impaired immune system etc. they defy common logic. its like being in a bike race and someone gets a flat and as the mechanic in the team car, you take out there wheel and throw it over the fence and drive off in the team car. now the rider doesnt have a flat tyre to worry about anymore!
got cancer etc? go to the oncologist and they will prescribe a treatment for you and totally ignore the cause. i know of one oncologist that told a patient i knew to eat as much kfc, pizza gut etc to offset the weightloss chemo usually instigates! wow! (that patient passed away shortly after.)
part 2 below.
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22/11/2009 11:57:10 AM
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harley j
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i used to raise money for medical research for various charities until one day i was educated where the money goes and what reasearch companies put the money too. THEY DONT WANT TO FIND A CURE FOR ANYTHING COS THAT WOULD BANKRUPT THE INDUSTRY! if your earning 100k -800k a year why on earth are you going to fire yourself? for those that argue im not 'qualified' to speak up about this subject, go check out www.preventcancer.com and educate yourself further.
lastly i rode with lance this year and lance has a close friend rip esselstyn whom has a book called 'engine 2 diet' at www.engine2diet.com . lance put a recommendation on the back of this hardline vegan book. rip was one of the first people lance contacted when diagnosed with cancer and he asked rip to 'get me on a programme that will get my healthy again..'
rip esselstyn's father is dr caldwell esselstyn and is a world reknown surgeon and clinical researcher. his site is http://www.heartattackproof.com/ . so we have rip and caldwell esselstyn. both long time vegans and health promoters. both cop flack for being the change they want to see. but like they say, if you want to be the change you want to see in the world, expect some mud fling'n!
so why doesnt lance speak up more about his dietary experiences as a cancer patient? well one of lances biggest sponsors is bristol myer squibb. dont know who they are? they are not only one of the largest pharmacutical companies but one of the largest companies on the planet and they dont promote veganism as a product line....
a whole food low fat vegan diet aint extreme. cutting open someones chest and pulling their heart out and putting it back in, cutting off a womens breasts, injecting mustargen (another world for chemo, chemo is largely derived from left over mustard gas from WW2)into someones veins whilst you are wearing lead based gloves and behind a safety screen whilst the patient cops it intravenously and is expected to 'poison themselves back to health'...to me thats extreme and eating a well balanced diet devoid of the proven cancer and heart disease promoting animal products, well, that just sounds like more fun eh?
as for gurus that claim they can create remission via special crystals etc, yeah i disagree too and its these practitioners that give the 'alternative therapies' crew a bad rep.
anyways, enough ranting, here is some food for thought and remember we are what we eat.
feel free to share your opinions, objections or highjack this thread with whatever you feel is relevant and hopefully at the end of the day, we have a better understanding of how we can help our bodies experience optimum health both on and off the bike.
edited by harley j on 22/11/2009
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1/12/2009 7:03:58 PM
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Mr White
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Harley
I'm pretty interested in this stuff (having read "Immune for Life" many years ago), am an "almost" vegetarian (I eat fish, moreso because I'm thinking I need plenty of protein when training (I do plenty of training for triathlons/Ironman), however, having just read the "Engine 2 Diet" website, it appears I don't need the recommended 1g of protein/kg of body weight per day when training? I'd be more than happy to go vegan if it didn't negatively affect my training/ability to improve (it might assist???) - do you happen to know where I can get a copy of the Engine 2 Diet book in Adelaide (I certainly don't need tolose weight, but am interested in the protein requirements/sources.
thanks
Damien
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6/12/2009 4:11:48 PM
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harley j
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some people go vegan cos for weight loss, health, the environment( 51% of global c02 emmissions are from livestock industries), fitness, ethics, religion or all of the previous.
1g protein per kg of bodyweight is still a bit subjective. measuring protein intake via % of calories is more objective. human mothers breast milk is around 3-5% calories from protein! fruits are typically 5-7% of calories from protein. so even on a fruit based diet providing SUFFICIENT calories we see that protein needs are met.
does anyone know what the medical word for protein deficiency is? none of my doctor, oncologist, nutritionist, coach friends know it, why? there simply isnt one.
if you are getting enough calories from fresh whole plant food sources, automatically we get enough protein.
both athletes and sick people thrive on the healthiest diet. today there is way too much research indicating that animal products create the primary causes of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, depression, obesity etc.
good on you Damien for questioning what is encouraged. borders will order that book in for you im sure. or get it online. get enough calories bro and youll for sure set personal bests. carbs, carbs, carbs. thats the secret. ive riden over 160 000km as a vegan. all around the world. won my share of 24hr solo xc races too and without any stimulants etc. and no more chronic fatigue, chrons disease, asmtha, acne, depression etc.
its funny, when i got out on training rides with my mates and we ride past some poor animals sitting in a paddock waiting for the meathook, and sometimes i might joke and say 'hey gang, lets go get some protein and increase our chances of cancer eh?' for some reason i just havent had any takers yet?
www.peta.org
www.skinnybitch.net
www.notmilk.com
www.vegsource.com
www.madcowboy.com
www.preventcancer.com
www.chinastudy.com
www.earthsave.org
www.veganbodybuilding.com
www.organicathlete.org
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18/05/2010 9:11:02 PM
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harley j
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Someone asked me for a Medical Journal link for the relationship between animal product consumption and cancer risk.
These sites are great.
www.pcrm.org
http://www.cancerproject.org/diet_cancer/facts/meat.php
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5/07/2010 12:43:53 PM
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harley j
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Hoogenban Han wrote:
Marasmus is characterised by insufficient protein consumption and energy deficiency.
Kwashiorkor is characterised by insufficient protein consumption but with sufficient calorie intake.
Animal protein provides all essential amino acids in one food, and in higher concentrations than in plant proteins which usually have a lower protein concentration. So you have to make sure that you get all your essential amino acids through your vegan diet by diversifying the plant sources you consume.
Legumes contribute the amino acid missing in cereal, and vice versa.
Thanks Han. ALL plant foods contain ALL 8 essential amino acids. Here is a medical journal reference.
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/105/25/e197
I ran another marathon yesterday, Ive been vegan for over 9years now and actually not a fan of soy, beans, nuts etc as they have too much protein to be consumed regularly.
Currently Im racing A grade up here on the Gold Coast. We have a few NRS riders in A grade too, so its not a faux A grade.
No way could I do all the 24hr solo xc races Ive done or the 170 000km Ive cycled since being a vegan if I wasnt getting enough protein. Even my 120kg vegan bodybuilder friends at www.veganbodybuilding.com get told they are not getting enough protein by people that cant even bench their own bodyweight..
There is still no definitive medical word for protein deficiency like there is for vitamin c deficiency aka scurvy. What about Kwashiorkor?. Read below.
There are various explanations for the development of kwashiorkor and the topic remains controversial.[7] It is now accepted that protein deficiency, in combination with energy and micronutrient deficiency, is necessary but not sufficient to cause kwashiorkor[citation needed]. The condition is likely due to deficiency of one of several types of nutrients (e.g., iron, folic acid, iodine, selenium, vitamin C), particularly those involved with anti-oxidant protection. Important anti-oxidants in the body that are reduced in children with kwashiorkor include glutathione, albumin, vitamin E and polyunsaturated fatty acids. Therefore, if a child with reduced type one nutrients or anti-oxidants is exposed to stress (e.g. an infection or toxin) he/she is more liable to develop kwashiorkor.
Ignorance of nutrition can be a cause. Dr. Latham, director of the Program in International Nutrition at Cornell University cited a case where parents who fed their child cassava failed to recognize malnutrition because of the edema caused by the syndrome and insisted the child was well-nourished despite the lack of dietary protein.[citation needed]
One important factor in the development of kwashiorkor is aflatoxin poisoning. Aflatoxins are produced by molds and ingested with moldy foods. They are toxified by the cytochrome P450 system in the liver, the resulting epoxides damage liver DNA. Since many serum proteins, in particular albumin, are produced in the liver, the symptoms of kwashiorkor are easily explained. It is noteworthy that kwashiorkor occurs mostly in warm, humid climates that encourage mold growth. In dry climates, marasmus is the more frequent disease associated with malnutrition. This has important consequences for treatment of the patients. Protein should be supplied only for anabolic purposes. The catabolic needs should be satisfied with carbohydrate and fat. Protein catabolism involves the urea cycle, which is located in the liver and can easily overwhelm the capacity of an already damaged organ. The resulting liver failure can be fatal.
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edited by harley j on 5/07/2010
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27/07/2010 8:24:25 PM
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harley j
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Here is a great doco done by Doctors on healing cancer with diet and lifestyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfnIzYE4L8Y
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30/07/2010 9:28:52 AM
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harley j
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Hoogenban Han wrote:
You are right Harley, sorry, Kwashiokor is more a description for malnutrition than protein deficiency. I will have to re-check my references regarding the essential amino acids as well. It looks like most of us are at greater risk of excess protein intake than protein deficiency. Daily protein turnover is about 3-4g/kg body mass/day. But protein intake should be approximately half this amount because of recycling, as amino acids are continually synthesized & catabolised. We don't need very much protein at all.
Its not that Im right, its just that is what the sciences are proving and we have the living testimonials. Human body recycles 70/80% of its protein each day. People who eat a diet starved of carbohydrates need to consume more protein as they have insufficient glycogen stores due to insufficient daily carb intake. This creates a lot of waste products just like when we enter into ketosis. Anyone that has 'bonked' or 'hit the wall' (same thing) knows that it aint a fun thing.
The very fact that ALL plant foods contain ALL 8 human essential amino acids helps guide us even more. When we eat enough calories from our fav wholefood plant sources, we automatically get enough amino acids and fatty acids. Good thing for us is there is over a 1000 different varieties of plant foods available at our fingertips today.
I never really like eating flesh or dairy, rather it was the carbs that came with it in the form of the bread, pizza base, sauces, sugar sprinkles etc. Thats why burgers, pizzas and hotdogs are the most popular animal product foods cos they provide the most carbs with em. Who orders a steak and salad with no sauce? Nobody. Steak burger with chips and ketchup followed by icecream? Thats common. When I upped my carb intake, my health and fitness went up and I started desiring less and less animal. Then I learnt more about human physiology, the environment etc and it all clicked into place to produce the vegan nutter I am today.
Ive measured my times up certain climbs in Adelaide since 97 and have beaten all my times most of which were originally caffiene assisted. Last year 2009 I set my most pb's on those climbs. So more me personally, that proves a lot to myself.
I will see if I can get in contact with this lady and get her to hop on a bike and post some climb times from Kaimuki.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr19gqQhJhQ
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2/11/2010 3:11:26 PM
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Adsa
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Hey Harley,
Are you the guy that wrote all over the road through the Gorge by any chance? After reading those scrawlings every week for about six months, I went out and bought the 'China Study'. Reading this along with a few other factors, has completly changed the way I eat & view food. I cant stop reading & talking about the subject now! Cheers for the links
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2/11/2010 9:57:02 PM
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harley j
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Hoogenban Han wrote:
I read something pretty interesting.
More than 50% of the adult population is estimated to be unable to absorb fructose in high doses (50g), and more than 10% cannot compmletely absorb 25g fructose. These indivuduals, like those with other disorders of fructose metabolism, must avoid fruits and other foods than contain high concentrations of fructose.
Source: Marks' basic medical biochemistry : a clinical approach / Michael Lieberman, Allan Marks ; illustrations by Mathew Chansky. Publication date 2009.
Also good reading on GLUT 5 transporter responsible for transporting fructose from the blood into cells.
Most people eat a ham sandwich and then put some fruit on top of that afterwards and get a gut ache from the fermentation that results and fruit gets the blame. Get the same person with 'fructose malabsorption' and just give em sufficient calories from fruit as a meal and they mysteriously dont have the problem anymore.
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2/11/2010 10:00:32 PM
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harley j
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Adsa wrote:
Hey Harley, Are you the guy that wrote all over the road through the Gorge by any chance? After reading those scrawlings every week for about six months, I went out and bought the 'China Study'. Reading this along with a few other factors, has completly changed the way I eat & view food. I cant stop reading & talking about the subject now! Cheers for the links
I wouldnt engage in criminal activity like that but Im glad however did wrote some graffiti that is saving lives and the planet. I guess the difference between graffiti and advertising is commodification of the message involved. Glad your reaping the rewards that comes when we act as individuals vs sheep and start taking responsibility for our health. Power to you bro.
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4/11/2010 10:02:18 AM
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harley j
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Good point HH. We run the largest fruit eating site and have read the fructose studies (most of which are done using GMO HFCS) and have yet to meet the long term fruit eater that has a 'fructose malabsorption' issues.
Its a bit like people saying 'I can run cos it hurts my shins'. We know today that there are certain reasons for this. Fruit is natural and so is running and if people have a problem with it, its not running or fruits fault. Does that make sense?
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