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28/12/2008 1:42:03 PM
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Daniel Kelly
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Hi All
Firstly Merry Christmas, hope the riding over the festive period is going well.
I am after some advice with regard to upgrading my wheels, I am looking at around the $1k price range and have heard some different views on what to go for, what will provide better performance etc etc.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Cheers
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28/12/2008 5:53:38 PM
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Jason Daniels
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Hi Daniel, more info will help others give you a better answer. Do you need wheels for training, for racing, or for hardcore downhill MTBing?
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28/12/2008 7:56:34 PM
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Daniel Kelly
Posts 41
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More so for training Jason, I tend to ride quite a bit in the hills. Anything to assist going that bit faster would be good as well 
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30/12/2008 7:20:08 PM
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Jason Daniels
Posts 73
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I'm well out of the loop Daniel, I haven't been on a bike for nearly 3 years now and so much has changed. Hopefully someone will see your post and come up with a gem.
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2/01/2009 9:37:00 PM
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Cos
Posts 30
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Hi Daniel,
Hill climbing, training, well the lighter the better.... you knew that, right...
Low profile rims (26mm max, and usually face machined) are a good start, ie, less weight at the outer edge of the wheel makes for less effort at the same climbing pace.
For around $1K, you should aim for a wheelset around 1750g max.
Good wheels around $1k are Mavic Kysrium Elite(1730g), Shimano WH-7801 (1710g), Shimano WH-7801 SL (1520g!!! but $1150), Fulcrum Racing 5 Evolution (1755g, cheap...), Fulcrum Racing 3 (1635g on special at probikekit.com), and others.
I have heard of Mavic Kysrium ES (1480g) going for $1300 on special (my current set - love'em to bits...)
Do your research on this weight range & you'll easily find something at the right price.
Cheers
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3/01/2009 4:26:31 PM
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Dave gomer
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If you are serious about your cycling, you need a bike shop you can trust and where you do most of your shopping, in the long run you will get much better value than shopping around every shop in town or buying overseas(good luck with any warranty). Then it also makes these decisions much simpler, ask your trusted mechanic/bicycle consultant for their ideas and trust in their decision. Get to know them and they will look after you a little better than the casual shopper, eg do stuff for you when you need it urgently, get special orders in etc.
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3/01/2009 6:19:52 PM
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DanielS
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^ I agree with what Dave says.
For training/all-round wheels, I reckon nothing beats a good set of hand-built wheels. Go with Ultegra hubs (assuming you're on shimano), 32 or 28 spokes. As for rims, you can go with something shallow and light e.g. Mavic Open Pro or DT RR 1.1, or something a bit deeper thats stronger e.g. Mavic CXP-33 or DT RR 1.2.
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3/01/2009 10:54:04 PM
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Robert Rau
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I had a pair of Mavic Open Pro laced to Mavic 571/2 hubs (32 holes). Really fantasic smooth hubs on stiff rims which are much better than Mavic Ksyrium SLs even though they are heavier (lightness is not always the best and not the only determining factor when it comes to wheels). Magic to climb on.
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4/01/2009 12:39:03 PM
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Aaron Babb
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Dan, mate for around $1000 I dont think you could go past a set of Ksyriums:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/2008-Ksyrium-SL-Wheels_W0QQitemZ270323824408QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Parts?hash=item270323824408&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mavic-Ksyrium-SSC-SL-Road-Wheels_W0QQitemZ220336327485QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Parts?hash=item220336327485&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
but with that said I havent ridden on many other training wheels before so my 2 cents may really only be worth 1.
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4/01/2009 3:36:48 PM
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Daniel Kelly
Posts 41
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Afternoon All, thanks everyone for getting back to me on this. Looks like Ksyriums might be the way to go.
Cheers for all your comments and hoping the Christmas/Festive season has given you all a chance to work off the prawns and beers.
Dan
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5/01/2009 10:10:43 PM
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Dazza
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I've had a set of wheels made for me about a year ago and would recommend this guy to anyone. www.twowheelsenteprises.com.au/
I was after race wheels (xr30) but he does race / training (slr30) the spokes are heavier gauge so the wheels are 70g heavier
Here was my request
Saw your wheels on ebay and wanted to know more. I'm looking for race wheels that can handle rough roads, that climb well (light) and roll like there no tomorrow (I love to break away whenever possible).
Clincher tyre, shimano compatible and I weigh in at 75kg looking around the $1500. mark.
I've used Mavic ES '07 and found them be very good but have heard of too many broke spokes.
heya mate well your most certainly talking to the right man..ha ha
my wheels are heaps better than ES' hey can be lighter(gen are for your weight) but also stiffer, heaps more aero, cheaper first up and much more ongoing...better in every way really...my best alloy set with ceramic bearings, dt aerolite spokes and my best hubs..which are awesome...sell for $1150 plenty change from $1500... tyres $45-$50ea for racing ones cheap cass price...also incl. crash replacement warranty best back up and service anywhere...these are the fastest alloy wheels avail anywhere !! weight 1470g..about 50-70g lighter than the es actual weight what you think ??? greg twe by the way the rim is the easton tempest II rim ...not made by easton
edited by Darren Andrew on 5/01/2009
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15/01/2009 7:56:09 AM
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Stainesy
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Hi
I got myself a pair of Easton Circuits for A$500.00.....they'd be an excellent buy if you're looking for training wheels. There are higher end Easton wheels if you want to spend abit more + use them for racing etc.
I also bought a pair of Mavic SSL's and to be honest I like my cheaper Eastons more :-) All upto the individual.
Cheers
J
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12/03/2009 9:23:09 PM
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Daniel Kelly
Posts 41
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Hi All
Anyone know much about Campag Vento Wheel Set?
Cheers
Dan
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14/03/2009 11:38:38 PM
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Alex Bates
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for under $1000 you can have 7900 dura ace hubs attached to nice strong tubular rims (eg ambrosio nemesis) and about 4 decent tyres landed on your doorstep
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30/03/2009 6:23:26 PM
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Steve OConnor
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If you don't mind factory built, these are worth a gander for $999:
American Classic Mag 300
- 1390 grams
- magnesium alloy low profile rim
-28/32 stainless spokes
- $999 on special - RRP $1399
- free postage Australia wide for orders over $250
http://www.cellbikes.com.au/p_489_AMERICAN_CLASSIC__Mag_300__999_Stock_Clearance_SPECIAL
I dont think they come with titanium skewers at that price - so add $44 for lightweight titanium skewer upgrade at 80g a pair .. save approx 30 more grams. Or $80 for KCNC skewers at 44g for a pair !!
Review and comparison of 9 diff climbing clinchers including this on can be found here :
http://thatswhatshesaidaboutyourbike.blogspot.com/2008_09_28_archive.html
Depends what sort of use you are looking at - I am sitting on AC 420's at the moment, which use exactly the same hubs as the above mag 300's .. which I find are a good compromise for me :
- 1520g so its light enough to improve my pathetic climbing efforts
- 34mm aero rims, so they glide well at speed.
- at $645 they didn't break the bank
- 6 tough pawls in the freehub with 12 contact points - solid engagement
- piece of cake to disassemble the freehub and re-grease, or access the cart bearings
- ceramic bearing upgrade avail for around $170 - 6 sets of bearings in the kit
- nice shiny bling factor
- you don't see them on every second bike (but who knows - maybe there are good reasons for that  )
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30/03/2009 6:23:54 PM
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Steve OConnor
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... cont from previous post
Mixed reviews on the reliability of these wheels in the past, especially with the hubs. Most of the weight savings on these wheels can be attributed to the hub design, which for a number of reasons, allows the freehub to be built simply out of lightweight materials. So that begs closer examination before hurtling yourself along paved roads at death defying speeds methinks.
The freehub design is unconventional. It has a set of 6 pawls which sit on the outer section of the hub in a cam plate, which rotates under load to bring all of the pawls simultaneously into contact with the ratchet. The original incarnation of this design relied on some wires/spring that needed to be just at the right angle and tension to make it all work, apparently. Good idea, poorly executed. But this has since been re-engineered to make the whole design simpler and more robust.
 
As you can see from those shots, its a different approach to freehub design, but extremely simple to pull apart, clean, and replace any of the working parts. There was a hub recall in 2006, and all stock was replaced with the newer design.
References :
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?t=38082 [American Classic Hub Failure - circa 2003]
http://www.velonews.com/article/9586 [Article from 2006 explaining the re-design of the cam plate mechanism]
Bladed spoke version much stronger and stiffer than the original, which had a reputation as being quite flexy under load. Though some racers I have spoken to reckon they raced them for several seasons and never had a prob, and a lot of cyclocross people are using these as well - so that was good enough for me, and the modest uses I put my wheels to.
I am also looking at getting a set of Spinergy xaeo lites with PBO spokes - T7 have these on special occasionally for around $700 a set. Pretty light at 1590g, and very strong. A lot of the DH and freestyle MTB crowd swear by their toughness. I am interested in the benefits of PBO spokes for the way that they soak up road vibration though - on coast to coast this year, when I rode on some tough old WH-R500's - I was getting such harsh road feedback that by the time I got through meadows, certain parts of my anatomy felt like they were on the verge of being puree'd to a fine consistency. Not nice !! PBO spoked wheels should make for a more comfortable and bulletproof trainer wheel as well.
Only ever heard good things about TWE custom builts ... but cant comment from any 1st hand exp (yet).
Mavic ksyrium SLs still fetching $1000+ on ebay 
Hope that helps.
edited by Steve OConnor on 30/03/2009
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30/03/2009 6:43:00 PM
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Steve OConnor
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One other thing to add - if you do splash the cash out to get lightweight wheels - assuming you go for clinchers - its then worth the extra few dollars to get some decent lightweight tyres and tubes to match, since that extra savings in grams comes right off the very edge of the rim, and hence has a really big effect on rotational weight..
I think it ended up costing me about $140 for a set of conti Attack/Force hoops, with lightweight tubes to match. 190g front tyre at 22m width (Attack), 210g on the rear tyre at 24mm width (Force).
These tyres are pretty puncture proof, and have amazing grip and control. The extra width on the back tyre adds even more traction, which helps out when climbing, and can be handy for quick accelerations and sprints too.
Recommended.
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31/03/2009 12:04:00 PM
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Jeffrey Schulz
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I have a set of the 2006 American Classsic Mag Wheels and due to the fact that no one would give me anywhere close to a reasonable price for them second hand I have kept them for my training bike. They have lasted and are great ultralight wheels. I would be keen to get the 2009 model coming out soon. Everyone will say they are crap but I don't agree and I have used them.
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